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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:47:00 -
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Florestan Bronstein wrote:At best you made a case for not expanding the NeX.
I missed the part where you justified the costs of removing it.
You try to argue that the mere presence of the NeX makes people quit the game by saying that it won't attract new players?
"The NeX is fundamentally gamplay displacing, and thus a drain on the overall game value of EvE, nobody is out there saying "Hey come play EvE because you can buy shoes for your avatar without playing the game""
that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
What "costs" would those be?
A couple of days programming time to reallocate the NeX store clothes to the character designer / placed in loyalty point stores ...
Or are you claiming there is still a positive income-from-NeX against lost subscriptions-due-to-NeX ?
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:58:00 -
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Jack Traynor wrote:And if CCP compared the list of credit devices & accounts subscribed against those of the failquitters, wanna bet what that delta would yield?
I'd just about guarantee those failquitters really WERE fail-quitters, as in they still play.
CCP makes money on the NeX crap, and it's not going anywhere. They will find new ways to make real money, and will exploit it. It's the way the business model works.
So you don't believe that a large number of eve players unsubbed over the NeXCarna fiasco then?
And you believe that CCP do actually make money on NeX taking into consideration accounts dropped citing NeX MT in a subscription game as a reason?
Hmmm,
Let me tell you about business "models".
Business models that work involve selling something to a customer base that the customers in question want. Prior to NeXCarna we had some exhaustive crowd-sourced polls that showed quite convincingly that the Eve player base did not want MTbased content behind $ payalls in this subscription based MMO.
The "industry experts" (at that time) refused to listen.
The unsub crisis was the result.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.12.08 19:03:00 -
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Ottersmacker wrote:Why not let CCP have income from those willing to spend on NeX as long as it stays vanity and actual game development isn't hindered?
How can it not be? It takes people programming content to make stuff for MT sale. Lets say the engine trails form the last patch were one such "vanity" development and you now had to pay 3600 aurum to enable them on a specific ship. Our subscription money payed the artist / developer in question to enable this "vanity" feature. It took time that could have been spent on stuff that would actually come with the client we pay a subscription for.
Would you be happy having to get out your credit card to enable this piece of "vanity" content knowing you've already helped to pay the salary for its developers?
Quote:I have never bought an item from NeX, because they have yet to hit the sweet spot for my space vanity fantasies. I suppose a Jack-O'-Lantern-paintjob Brutix might do the trick..
See I just don't get how people are being suckered into this "vanity" spiel. Look back over the history of Eve expansions and so much graphic content of the past is pure "vanity" when you get down to it.
How the heck can you consider a ship skin "vanity" and be happy to consider paying extra when a nebula background and engine trail is not?
its nuts. But people seem to be getting brainwashed by the constant drone of microtransaction victims.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.12.08 19:13:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:
Jade ... Nex never was implemented for the core player base that flies in space,
it was implemented for the other kind of players, that like to run around in Avatars.
Well last summer CCP Zinfandel and Mittani were talking about "golden ishukune scorpions" right from the NeX store straight into people's hangers. That doesn't sound like pure avatar polishing to me. In the same months we had talk about "convenience" microtransactions on things like ship fittings, respecs, etc etc. This stuff is the thin end on the wedge and it will come to mess up the flying in space eve online if it is allowed to corrupt CCP into delivering ship skins and corp/alliance logos in this manner.
Quote:These people like to pay money for useless stuff that's just there to "show off". I don't see any issues with that, as it doesn't have any impact on EvE/SpaceShips.
Incarna is effectively dead. NeXCarna apocalypse showed that the kind of "new players" who could be attracted to these things in no way makes up for the unsubscription of existing players who remained with ccp for the spaceships. Hence NeX remaining is going to be tempted to mess with the flying in space content and you'll see increased pressure on stuff we've traditionally seen as "part of the client" coming behind an $ paywall that will fracture the server into dollar haves and have nots. The danger is that it hits people right in the suspension of disbelief and they come to see this game not as an expect from the horrible economic disasters of the outside world - but an nasty little profiteering echo of such.
Quote:Again ... we made quite sure this won't happen.
That war isn't over. This weekend there are some collaborating voices on the current CSM who are going to be welcoming certain compromises on Microtransactions that will lead to nasty things in the future.
The eve we know is still under threat from the so-called "hybrid model" and while fans of microtransactions are happy to downplay the negative impact of long term players quitting over this stuff - the reality is that Eve is about its community and if the long-term community is comprehensively alienated by the fracturing of the playerbase between those who pay for extra content and those that don't then we'll see a resumption of the downward spiral that began last summer.
Crucible was a good expansion. It staunched the bleeding wounds.
Now we have to stop "industry experts" attaching microtransaction leeches to the patient before she's even gotten out of bed.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.12.08 19:20:00 -
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Stella SGP wrote:But but I like my replica goggles and military heels... and would like to see them only available from the NEX store...
Why?
Because you think that makes it "exclusive"?
Its common as muck. Anybody with a CC can click button and replicate eternally.
If you wanted genuine exclusivity you'd argue for them coming as rare drops or at the end of some complicated player-led industrial function with an eve price tag in billions.
Or do you like to pretend these things are exclusive because you see eve as an essentially single player game?
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.12.08 19:42:00 -
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Stella SGP wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Stella SGP wrote:But but I like my replica goggles and military heels... and would like to see them only available from the NEX store... Why? Because you think that makes it "exclusive"? Its common as muck. Anybody with a CC can click button and replicate eternally. If you wanted genuine exclusivity you'd argue for them coming as rare drops or at the end of some complicated player-led industrial function with an eve price tag in billions. Or do you like to pretend these things are exclusive because you see eve as an essentially single player game? Pffft... No, I don't think of it as anything exclusive and don't really care about whether NEX is there or not. I just play with it since it is available, nothing more.
So you wouldn't mind in the least if it was moved to a faction loyalty point store right?
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.12.08 22:41:00 -
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Gummy Plaude wrote:Quote:
A couple of days programming time to reallocate the NeX store clothes to the character designer / placed in loyalty point stores ...
It's easier for me to go isk > Nex > stuff than LP > stuff just saying.
Its easier for me to go Credit Card -> PLEX -> BUY CHARACTER
than to train Jade for skills she doesn't actually have yet. But guess what? Buying your way to everything misses the point of the game.
It would have been just as easy to go CREDIT CARD -> PLEX -> ISK -> BUY TITAN FROM CRIBBA
rather than build our corp Erebus in hostile territory under the noses of our worst enemies - but guess what? it was a hellova lot of fun doing it the hard way and it generated a lot of content for our corp.
The morale of this story is "easy" often = "this game sucks".
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.12.10 12:02:00 -
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Dragonzchilde wrote:I don't think CCP will provide any numbers. just as you see devs in every thread posting and posting and carefully staying out of this one.
Their first mistake was introducing the AUR currency. Up till now I don't get why they ever needed that one
Their second one was the price setting for the whole thing.
If those crap items were actually obtainable through ISK more people would probably have gotten them unlike now where the AUR/ ISK conversion rate makes items stupidly expensive.
Poor implementation of a poor idea by a cocky company.
The kick in the nuts was more than deserved, wish it was harder though. Still too much cocky attitude in CCP
So CCP what about providing us with:
- some numbers about this whole AUR/ Nex crap
- providing a quarterly economic newsletter that seems to have missed a few quarters
I too would like the numbers but I do think whats going on presently is CCP executives adopting a "wait and see" approach and some will be genuinely interested to see if a substantial segment of the Eve player base will talk itself into MT again by trying to justify the things.
I get frustrated because its turkeys voting for thanksgiving really.
What we really need is a nice clean chop for NeX store and reallocation of the content to proper Eve mechanisms of content provision to draw a line under the NeXCarna fiasco. Once that happens I'd love to get back to proselytizing on eve again through the genuine return of feeling that CCP is a different kind of gaming company that cares about its game and community rather than seeing us all as walking dollar signs to be harvested.
I'm also frustrated with the perception that the current CSM has appeared to let up on the pressure against NeX on the groups that "vanity MT" is somehow okay which is an opinion I consider immensely short-sighted as a thin end of the wedge backslide towards a divided cluster with content split between the RL $ haves and have nots.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.12.10 12:02:00 -
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double post
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